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Problems with Template:wikipediasister, do you see them too?
For some reason Template:wikipediasister doesn't want to include properly. On my browser (Galeon/Mozilla under Linux), I start seeing HTML markup inline after I save the page? Do you have the same problem? -Lexor|Talk 10:25, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- It looks fine to me. I made the links direct. Did that help? --mav
- Yep. Must be something weird in the namespace syntax when it parses it to HTML. Probably have to ask a developer like Brion or Tim Starling. Thanks for fixing this. I wonder if it's worth an extra MediaWiki for the intro paragraph as well for the three versions: standard, text-only and table-free? --Lexor|Talk 10:37, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- So long as we want to have the wording be the same. --mav
- Well at least a subset of the sentences should be, I would have thought, otherwise the pages could drift, in fact the text version doesn't match the standard right now. By the way, could you also replace the inline markup for the sister projects with the {{msg:wikipediasister}}? Thanks. --Lexor|Talk 11:14, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Done. --mav
Images
Do you think this would look better? It needs a bit more formatting/resixing:
 Meta-Wiki (http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) |  Wiktionary (http://wiktionary.org/wiki/Main_Page) |  Wikibooks (http://wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_Page) | Wikiquote (http://quote.wikipedia.org/) |  Wikisource (http://sources.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page:English) |
Dmn?
- Well it does look better, standalone. Does it look better on the main page too? Ankur
- You bet it looks better! But, I'm afraid to say, it only looks about 10 times better! Really, these pictures would really lvien up the sister projects section! Great idea!
BTW: I thought that at a point they all used to have pictures? What lonely person had to take the life out of them?! --Exigentsky
Clickable images
Is there any way the images can be made clickable? (ie act as links?) Otherwise it would be annoying to click on the image, expecting to go to the site, when one goes to the Image: page instead. Dysprosia 01:12, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I've asked about this before as well when the Main Page was first redesigned. It would be nice to have on anything on the main page really. RADICALBENDER★ 23:00, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Absolutely. I mean, a lot of people coming to wikipedia are newcomers. They've spent there lifetime clicking on images that either enlarge or take them to another article. To a newcomer it obviously is a strange behaviour for an image to take the user to the attribution page even if the image does enlarge. On the main page it is expected that clicking on the image will take you to the article rather the Image:Xyz.png page. So definitely image on main page should take you to the article. This reminds me of the wikipedia logo - which takes you to the homepage of wikipedia instead of Image:BiocrawlerLogo.png or something of the sort. Now if there were a solution to the problem of wikipedians who will want to modify the image. --Ankur 02:29, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I put a redirect on the image page of the Meta image, the same can be done for the others. The only disadvantage is that it is now inconvenient to go to that page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Image:Metawiki.png&redirect=no .--Patrick 11:19, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Actually, I don't think it will, for places like Wikibooks or Wikiquote, which don't have the capability to link to the projects using conventional [[ ]] means (eg, you can't go wikibooks:Main page) Dysprosia 05:04, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- The first three seem to do that but the last two do not. for me at least... --Rj 18:21, Jun 12, 2004 (UTC)
- Three work (plus en: for going back), two do not:
m:Main Page wikiquote:Main Page wikisource:Main Page wiktionary:Main Page wikibooks:Main Page
--Patrick 15:57, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- It seems somebody's had the cunning idea of making them into interwiki redirects - something that I'm normally against, because you can't then get back to the redirecting page without handcrafting a URL, but which is probably forgiveable in this case as it's probably the only way of achieving the desired effect. The reason wikisource and wikiquote aren't like that is that they still haven't had interwiki prefixes set up for some reason. Anyone fancy bugging a developer to do it? - IMSoP 15:22, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
OK, seems all the interwiki redirects work. Previously, the Wikibooks image took you to a multilanguage portal, which seemed rather illogical to me - this is the English Biocrawler, and the Wikibooks:Main Page links fine to those other languages should the user so desire, so I changed it to just go to the Main Page. --Twinxor 04:03, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Wikitravel
I see that Wikitravel has just been added to this list. First of all, it looks kinda out of place, on its own row to the far right. Secondly, the line above the logos says that the Wikimedia Foundation operates these projects, which isn't true for Wikitravel: according to m:Wikitravel, the project is run by two Biocrawlerns, but it isn't an official Wikimedia project. – [[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog (http://mxn.f2o.org/index.html))]] 20:24, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I would include WikiAtlas links in Wikitravel.
Wikinews
Should a link to wikinews (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page) (sorry - I don't know the interwiki) be included? It's a WM project, right? --Whosyourjudas (talk) 06:10, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- It's still in beta, and it doesn't have a final logo, so it's probably too early for that. -- Netoholic @ 07:04, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)
- Google news (http://news.google.com/) is still in "beta" too, so thats a moot point. Plus Wikinews has been in the news (http://news.google.com/news?q=wikinews&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tab=wn&ie=ISO-8859-1&scoring=d) already on several high profile sources, so people will be wondering where the link is. The newspaper logo will do for now. [[User:Norm|Norman Rogers\talk]] 11:47, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Discussion
First of all this is a wikimedia project in its own right and the discussion is already under way in the "village well under miscelaneous." GerardM 16:20, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Sorry but I see that as you stating that you're going to do it and two people saying that it shouldn't be there". That's not a discussion. violet/riga (t) 16:28, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- You discussed this in IRC #wikipedia and most views there opposed adding it. You went head anyway. You were reverted in the Christian-only Christmas season holiday template by one of the people who disagreed with you in IRC (me) and here by two people who I don't recall being around for the IRC discussion. I suggest that you look at the non-discriminatory "Happy Holidays" message sites like Google.com are using and try to understand that there are people having holidays and family gatherings now who aren't Christian and should receive wishes of happiness as well. Jamesday 17:31, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- The thing is that this IS a project and this project IS centered around a phrase in the Italian wiktionary. It being a project is known for more than a month in both mailing list and in the projects. Its place for a few days in the WIKIPEDIASISTER page is correct. What we were talking about was on having it on the Main Page, it is not. GerardM 22:34, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- The same arguments apply there as well: the project should not be discriminating against those who are not Christians but are having their family gatherings at this time. That's likely also the reasoning why sites like Google don't go for a Christian-specific holiday wish. It's possible to craft a suitable message but this isn't it. Jamesday 22:54, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Your insistence on happy holidays is denying that there is a project about a phrase. It is unreasonable to insist that it should be "happy holidays" because that is that what this is about. GerardM 23:11, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Copy/paste from WP:VP:
- The whole thing is horribly unfriendly for newbies:
- It's not clear what the links are
- Red links are supposed to mean no article
- The layout is, to be blunt, rather dull
- If it were tidied and these points dealt with then I could understand its inclusion. As it stands I've removed it for the time being. violet/riga (t) 16:25, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Right, so your arguments have nothing to do with the points that I made. Your contributions are neither helpfull nor friendly and you have already reverted four times this template. So according to the rules you cite you should be banned for 24 hours.
- That the thing is in green and red is, because these are Christmassy colours and therefore appropriate. The links to the first three are not articles, they are sound files. And the last is an OBVIOUS referral to elsewhere. It being dull is good as it needs no more attention than the attention it gets. GerardM
- I do not understand why it is unfriendly. Perhaps you can discuss things..
- Just because you do not like it you start a revert war. You do not adress the arguments why this information is indeed in its right place. The arguments that you use have nothing to do with the project itself. To top it all you say that I need to be banned (hardly friendly) while you were the one to revert three times first. GerardM 08:28, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've protected the template. As it's no longer Christmas in most of the world, I've reverted to the non-Template:ChristmasWish version. I'd be within my rights to block GerardM for violating the 3RR, but I'm feeling generous. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:52, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- It is the second day of Christmas, in the Western Christian tradition it is generally celebrated as a holy day. So there you are wrong. Secondly, the revert war started NOT with me, I was not the one to have done the third revert therefore it is not me you could have banned "within your rights". Thirdly, the arguments I put forward have not been adressed by the "other party" or you at all so there is another mark against your action. GerardM 08:28, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Dori reverted it to start with, not me - you were the first to break the 3RR. You did so without discussion either here or at the stated Village Pump. My points are still totally valid and using Christmas colours as a defence doesn't work when you are breaking the style rules - those Christmas colours could've been worked into it in a different way. My reference to it being dull is that it takes up a large part of screen real estate but with very little content. Further I'd already said that I had no particular problem with it being there but that my other points needed to be addressed before I saw it as acceptable. Sorry that your obvious good intentions have been reverted this way but with more discussion it could've worked out. violet/riga (t) 11:11, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Text aligment
I'm adding style="text-align:left" to the table to prevent the words from being too far from each other. I do this because it took me some time to figure out that the 'of' right before the Wikisource icon didn't have anything to do with Wikisource but was part of the Wikiquote description. — mark ✎ 16:21, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Image sizes not specified
I propose to add |35px to the various images in this template. In general it's good practice to specify the image size, in case someone uploads a higher-resolution version. Also, note that the images should be protected, as they appear on the main page. dbenbenn | talk 00:21, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- No objections. We should point to the highest resolution file, rather than the fixed-size thumbnails currently used, though. -- Netoholic @ 01:10, 2005 Feb 11 (UTC)
- In every case I checked, the higher-resolution version is at the Commons. We can't protect images from the Commons. (Even if they're protected there, we don't control that.) Possibly the right thing to do is to use a protected copy of the high-resolution version here. dbenbenn | talk 02:34, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- One need only create the image description page (pasted content from Commons is OK) and protect it - then no-one but administrators can upload over it. User:Rdsmith4/Sig 05:31, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Done. I've uploaded local copies of the Commons images, just out of paranoia. dbenbenn | talk 04:55, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- The images used were specially-compressed 35px images, which saved several KB from the Main Page size (which I've reverted back to).
They could be protected in Commons or copied locally to Biocrawler and protected here.Tom- 01:19, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)- Uploaded them here and protected. Tom- 01:38, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
By the way, the savings at the moment is 12974 bytes. But note that the specially-compressed versions don't look quite the same; the space savings comes from discarding a lot of colors. dbenbenn | talk 16:24, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
Interwiki
some interwiki: cs:Template:Biocrawlersister de:Template:Hauptseite Schwesterprojekte es:Template:Proyectoswikimedia it:Template:PaginaPrincipale/Progetti sk:Template:BiocrawlerSister
Please change come logos
is there anyone who can replace some of this logos by logos from the commons? the text should be:
<!-- IF YOU VANDALIZE THIS TEMPLATE YOU WILL BE **BLOCKED** IMMEDIATELY AND CAST INTO A BOTTOMLESS PIT. -->
Biocrawler is a free encyclopedia hosted by the non-profit [[Wikimedia|Wikimedia Foundation]], which operates several other [[Biocrawler:Multilingual coordination|multilingual]] and [[Biocrawler:Copyrights|free-content]] projects:
{| align="center" cellpadding="2" width="100%" style="text-align:left"
| [[Image:Wiktionary-logo-en-35px.png|35px|<nowiki>]]
| [[wikt:en:Main Page|'''Wiktionary''']]<br />Dictionary and thesaurus
| [[Image:Wikibooks without text-35px.png|35px|]]
| [[b:en:Main Page|'''Wikibooks''']]<br />Free textbooks and manuals
| [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.png|35px|]]
| [[q:en:Main Page|'''Wikiquote''']]<br />Collection of quotations
| [[Image:Wikisource-logo.png|35px|]]
| [[wikisource:Main Page:English|'''Wikisource''']]<br />Free source documents
|-
| [[Image:Wikispecies without text-35px.png|35px|]]
| [[Wikispecies:|'''Wikispecies''']]<br />Directory of species
| [[Image:Wikinews-logo.png|35px|]]
| [[n:Main Page|'''Wikinews''']]<br />Free content news source
| [[Image:Commons without text-35px.png|35px|]]
| [[commons:Main Page|'''Commons''']]<br />Shared media repository
| [[Image:Wikimedia without text-35px.png|35px|]]
| [[m:Main Page|'''Meta-Wiki''']]<br />Wikimedia project coordination
|}
</nowiki>Schaengel89 @me 14:40, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- See Template:BiocrawlerSister/temp for proposing changes. The changes are
- As long as we have to keep local copies of the logos for protection anyway, I think we should name them differently. For example, "Wikinews-logo-PROTECTED.png", instead of simply "Wikinews-logo.png". That way, you can leave "Wikinews-logo.png", which is used by a lot of pages, unprotected. dbenbenn | talk 19:26, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
